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Health Care Bill Being Voted On Right Now
 
 
11-07-2009, 04:19 PM
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Saturday, November 7, 2009
11:25 AM Central

The House is voting on the health care bill today, and it is expected to pass. I'm not happy about that, but it's a fact I'm going to have to face.

Planned Parenthood is pissed because there is an amendment being put in there that prohibits taxpayer funds from being used for other people's abortions.

President Obama came to visit, but I didn't see.

The administration is saying that if this doesn't pass, it's all over, so if Congress wants to pass this, it's crucial that they vote YES today.

The bill also comes with the government-run option. Please correct me if any of these facts are inaccurate, and please post news and thoughts below as this event unfolds.

Click here to see the FOX News story. (You can also watch a live stream there.)
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11-07-2009, 04:55 PM
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Fox news...now THERES an unbiased news source if there ever was one.

*heavy sarcasm*


I don't think government run health care is the best solution, but it's better than what we have now.
 
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11-07-2009, 04:56 PM
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Nah. We're going to destroy our dollar in the process. The government already controls 60% of the medical industry.
 
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11-07-2009, 04:57 PM
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Government Run health care is gonna SUCK. We're ****ed if they vote for Gov Health care.
 
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11-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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@ LuigiRacer: I'm assuming you actually pay for your own health care?

Because otherwise how do you know how it's gonna affect you?
 
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11-07-2009, 04:58 PM
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I'm swearing at the screen. I don't care if the guy talking is a Republican right now. I hate the GOP. I hate the Democratic party. I hate this bureaucracy.

We're all going to be affected by bigger government, high taxation, inflation, and the DESTRUCTION of the dollar.
 
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11-07-2009, 05:01 PM
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Well watching Fox is really not gonna help your depression.

Why don't you look at the plus side of government run health care?
It's like everyone is programmed to look at only the negatives.
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11-07-2009, 05:03 PM
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I'm watching Congress, not FOX News.
 
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11-07-2009, 05:52 PM
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Nah. We're going to destroy our dollar in the process. The government already controls 60% of the medical industry.
Care to backup those statements?
 
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11-07-2009, 07:40 PM
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Thank you for questioning me. 60%, to be honest, is not an exact estimate. I've heard from several sources that 60 cents of every dollar for health care is controlled by the government, but I have yet to see a Congressional study on this.

What I can conclude, though, is that a significant portion of the medical industry is controlled by government bureaucrats. I'm actually going to give you some statistics from an organization that advocates universal health care. I don't agree with their agenda, but at least their honest and open about the facts.

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Among the 84.2% with health insurance in 2006, coverage was provided through an employer 59.7%, purchased individually 9.1%, and 27.0% was government funded (Medicare, Medicaid, Military). (There is some overlap in coverage figures.) Source: US Census Bureau


A quarter of all insurance is paid for and controlled by the government. If you think about that it, that's an amazingly significant figure.

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In 2005, personal health care expenditures were paid by private health insurance 36%, federal government 35%, state and local governments 11% , and out-of-pocket payments 15%. Source: National Center for Health Statistics


Again, these are significant figures. According to this study, 47% of expenditures are paid for some form of government (ex. subsidies, exclude welfare and pension payments that may account for payments).

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The United States spends twice as much on health care per capita ($7,129) than any other country . . . and spending continues to increase. In 2005, the national health care expenditures totaled $2 trillion. Source: National Center for Health Statistics
It's shocking, really, and some people think this plan would cut those costs. However, I personally believe that price control rollbacks, regulatory reductions, subsidy reductions, government size reduction, government role reduction, spending cuts, tax cuts, and monetary policy reform, and auditing the Fed would be better for the industry.

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From 2000 to 2006, overall inflation has increased 3.5%, wages have increased 3.8%, and health care premiums have increased 87%.
Government control has expanded within that time. Are these statistics any coincidence? I think not.

Here's an interesting article from the CATO Institute:

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Health Care Regulation: A $169 Billion Hidden Tax

by Christopher J. Conover

Students of regulation have known for decades that the burden of regulation on the U.S. economy is sizable, with the latest figures suggesting this cost may approach $1 trillion in 2004. Surprisingly, given that the health industry is often viewed as among the most heavily regulated sectors of the U.S. economy, previous estimates generally have ignored the cost of regulating health care services.

Using a “top-down” approach, one can arrive at a “back-of-the-envelope” estimate that health services regulation imposes an annual cost of $256 billion per year (with a range of $28 billion to $657 billion), suggesting that health services regulations could increase estimates of overall regulatory costs by more than 25 percent.

A far more accurate “bottom-up” approach suggests that the total cost of health services regulation exceeds $339.2 billion. This figure takes into account regulation of health facilities, health professionals, health insurance, drugs and medical devices, and the medical tort system, including the costs of defensive medicine. Moreover, this approach allows for a calculation of some important tangible benefits of regulation. Yet even after subtracting $170.1 billion in benefits, the net burden of health services regulation is considerable, amounting to $169.1 billion annually. In other words, the costs of health services regulation outweigh benefits by two-to-one and cost the average household over $1,500 per year.

The high cost of health services regulation is responsible for more than seven million Americans lacking health insurance, or one in six of the average daily uninsured. Moreover, 4,000 more Americans die every year from costs associated with health services regulation (22,000) than from lack of health insurance (18,000). The annual net cost of health services regulation dwarfs other costs imposed by government intervention in the health care sector. This cost exceeds annual consumer expenditures on gasoline and oil in the United States and is twice the size of the annual output of the motion picture and sound recording industries.

Finding ways to reduce or eliminate this excess cost should be an urgent priority for policymakers. It would appear from this preliminary assessment that medical tort reform offers the most promising target for regulatory cost savings, followed by FDA reform, selected access-oriented health insurance regulations (e.g., mandated health benefits), and quality-oriented health facilities regulations (e.g., accreditation and licensure).


Now these are spending stats. All of this info excludes regulatory stats.
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