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09-08-2008, 12:12 AM
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The traveler (matter) of the trail (space) however will complete a lap, so to speak.

So I say again: finite space in infinite time (curvature for the example I provided above).
I'd say that this is a paradox, because in my mind it doesn't add up. The theory you've provied is very intelligent and makes sense, but then you say that you can complete infinity, yet:

infinity (n) - to continue for enternity; never ending

However, infinity is a synonym for eternity, and it is stated in the Bible that eternity is beyond human comprehension.

This seems like one of the things that only God knows the answer to. Let's ask him when we die and go to heaven.
 
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09-08-2008, 12:13 AM
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There's already the model of the 2D sphere curved in 3D space, which assumes no boundaries, although finite matter.

This, although, is not confirmed, and that's the biggest problem atm, lack of technology, all researches indicate the universe is flat BUT can be distorted which takes us back to the 4D diagram, meaning 3D is curved on 4D, so to speak.

In ancient times, we thought the world was flat aswell. As most things later to be found, it's been proven to point towards a cyclical pattern.

And since all is relative, why wouldn't our universe share this same characteristic?
It's indeed too early to say that a certain model is *the* model. Who knows what discoveries scientists will make conceirning science we don't even know the existence of.

I find Hawkings theory about the flat universe fascinating. He says that the universe is flat but that it's also warped around mass. That also applies for our earth. But it's soo weak that we can say we live in a flat 'zone'.

For example, the Pythagorean theorem only applies in 'flat triangles'. It doesn't apply if the triangle is on a round object. So there are parts in space where the theorem doesn't apply. But it does apply on earth because earth is nearly flat, as I said before. So that's what I mean that our theories or models don't necessairly also apply to space.

Fascinating isn't it (and I can't explain what I really want to say because I can't explain it in English..)
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09-08-2008, 01:03 AM
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I believe that the universe is a vast and unknown place. I also believe that in the billions of planets the probability of another life form is probably fairly high.
 
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09-08-2008, 01:06 AM
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Hmm, that theory is a bit.. out there. To say that all extraterrestrial actually originated from the Earth, but then migrated to other planets. But you're also implying that this has to do with creationism; that the Earth was created and that these aliens being considered "animals" implies that man was created as a central being in the universe by god or w/e, again assuming that the Earth is the origin of all life in the universe.

Why is it not possible that life can originate from other planets entirely? The main reason life can flourish on the Earth is because of the climate and it's relative located to our sun. Conditions are favorable, thus lifeforms can survive on this planet as oppose to hostile environments such as Saturn or something.

So it's entirely possible that there are innumerable other planets out there with conditions that are somewhat, or even moreso favorable than the Earth where life can also develop.
I believe that extrateresstrial life originated on earth because all life that God created that we know of was created on Earth, which is also stated in the Bible. If God created life that existed on other planets from the beginning, he'd have told us, because God does not keep secrets from humans. Also, God created everything that has existed, exists, or will exist, so they cannot be created through means not involving God, though it may seem as if they are.

But there is also the possibility that God created aliens after the events that have already happened in the bible took place, so my theory does have its faults. Also, most others on this thread base their theories on science rather than religion, and that may be why mine is somewhat unrealistic.

Or perhaps aliens do not exist. That is also a possibilty.
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09-08-2008, 01:15 AM
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I believe that extrateresstrial life originated on earth because all life that God created that we know of was created on Earth, which is also stated in the Bible. If God created life that existed on other planets from the beginning, he'd have told us, because God does not keep secrets from humans. Also, God created everything that has existed, exists, or will exist, so they cannot be created through means not involving God, though it may seem as if they are.

But there is also the possibility that God created aliens after the events that have already happened in the bible took place, so my theory does have its faults. Also, most others on this thread base their theories on science rather than religion, and that may be why mine is somewhat unrealistic.

Or perhaps aliens do not exist. That is also a possibilty.
So then that is based on the belief that god exists.


I don't think there is any question of life elsewhere in the universe, there's definitely other living organisms on planets with similarly favorable conditions to Earth, which are more or less advanced evolutionarily than we are.
 
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09-08-2008, 01:32 AM
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So then that is based on the belief that god exists.


I don't think there is any question of life elsewhere in the universe, there's definitely other living organisms on planets with similarly favorable conditions to Earth, which are more or less advanced evolutionarily than we are.
That is true.

They could be plants, single cells... they could even be slug like creatures resembling Jabba the Hut or could be floating masses of energy that have evolved beyond the need for physical bodies. There is the theory that aliens existed at one time in the past and have now died out as well.

The possibilities are endless.
 
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09-08-2008, 01:46 AM
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I believe that extrateresstrial life originated on earth because all life that God created that we know of was created on Earth, which is also stated in the Bible. If God created life that existed on other planets from the beginning, he'd have told us, because God does not keep secrets from humans. Also, God created everything that has existed, exists, or will exist, so they cannot be created through means not involving God, though it may seem as if they are.

But there is also the possibility that God created aliens after the events that have already happened in the bible took place, so my theory does have its faults. Also, most others on this thread base their theories on science rather than religion, and that may be why mine is somewhat unrealistic.

Or perhaps aliens do not exist. That is also a possibilty.
But that theory it's completely based in the existence of god, and some people don't believe in his/her/it's existence, that's the main flaw in that theory.

I really believe that there has to be life out there, I mean an infinite universe and we're the only life form? I really don't think so, just imagine all the possibilities that can be out there...

And the video really did made me feel really small, the Solar System it's like a particle of dust...and I'm a particle of dust comparing me to the Earth...
 
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09-08-2008, 02:31 AM
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But that theory it's completely based in the existence of god, and some people don't believe in his/her/it's existence, that's the main flaw in that theory.

I really believe that there has to be life out there, I mean an infinite universe and we're the only life form? I really don't think so, just imagine all the possibilities that can be out there...

And the video really did made me feel really small, the Solar System it's like a particle of dust...and I'm a particle of dust comparing me to the Earth...
There is absolutley no doubt in my mind that God exists. As for others, I dunno.

I do admit that the theory is flawed and w/e, and I also believe in the existence of aliens... I'm currently trying to find a better way to explain that.

The video also made me feel small as well; I am a mere cell in the vast organism that is the universe.
 
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09-08-2008, 03:28 AM
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I agree with everyone that it is infinate but i do beleive in God, and this is going off topic but i will tell you why evolution/big bang theory does not work

If evolution were real than why are the monkeys no longer evolving, why are the fish no longer walking out of the water. And if it were a "big bang" than how would a life form just poof (appear) out of no where.

But anyways, i think its amazing how God created this world with ease, I think God is awesome, my opinion of course, i beleive on faith not sight
 
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09-08-2008, 03:42 AM
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If evolution were real than why are the monkeys no longer evolving, why are the fish no longer walking out of the water. And if it were a "big bang" than how would a life form just poof (appear) out of no where.
Yeah I thought spontaneous generation was proved wrong. But then again there may be life forms that "poof appeared out of no where." We don't really have solid proof. The Big Bang theory is.... just a theory that apparently many scientists approve of.

I took Earth and Space science last year and I too felt very small. Just pretend you are in space watching the Earth and then float away and away. It's like a never ending experience.
 
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