Why is it rediculous? Because it conflicts with your religion? Why don't you read the book, "Gospel in the Stars"? I haven't read it but my dad has been talking about it all the time recently.

Where am I "turning things around"? I never even started this conversation; you said something and I commented on it showing the truth that actually happened. Other than that, your paragraph is basically true. It really isn't as much as the Jews changing their religion but rather modifying it since instead of looking forward, they were looking in the past. It isn't that the Jews went to a new religion but rather that the same, true faith was slightly adapted (since Jesus came) and the true faith continued with a different perspective and slightly modified laws (since Jesus fulfilled certain aspects of the Old Testament).

Maybe the reason it is based in almost every religion is because there was a common origin of religion and some people turned away from the true faith and started different ideas. Maybe God taught Adam and Eve in the garden and then it slowly "evolved" through the generations.

It wasn't an Asian cult because it completely differred from any cult we see today. It was a different religion (unless you were a Jew) but it wasn't a cult. Christianity became so popular because the Jews started to realize that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Old Testament; he was the Christ who was to come. That is why it grew so fast in the early A.D. times. It wasn't a "new" religion but rather a slightly modified version.

And other people didn't? I think you are just making this up to support your opinion or you think that religion has "mental problems".

It is not flawed; you took my words out of context. Why don't you read the whole paragraph before you say this. Here is what I said:

So as I just said in the above paragraphs I will say again. You can sin and repent and God will forgive you. The key word is "repent". Repent means to turn away from your sin. So you can kill many people and ask for forgiveness and God will forgive you but if you keep on sinning, then you in unrepentant sin and you will then be disobeying God and depending on the situation, maybe even go to hell.

It makes perfect sense from a normal point of view. It might not to you but to billions of people in the earth's history it sure did. You can't possibly say that those people all didn't have a "normal point of view". God works in mysterious ways because he made our world but doesn't abide by its laws. Just because he made everything doesn't mean he has to live by those rules; he is God and he makes the laws. Since he is outside of our world, he is not affected by its laws. (I know I keep on saying the same statement is slightly different ways but no one seems to get the point.)

Not the church leaders; I get it from the Bible. I am so sad that you have such a negative opinion about our religion but don't see that you are currently in one also (Evolution). You clearly are ignorant of my belief or you choose to make it look to you how you want it to appear. If religion is correct, it has to come from somewhere. The only source is the Bible (which is backed up by history and science) and so that is where I base my knowledge from. No offense, but she bases her religion on her feelings and emotions. To me, if you are not going to blatently refuse to believe in a God, then you should get some knowledge about religion from a credible source.

Where did you learn your religion from as a child? Was it from church or your parents? Wherever it was learned from, you still can't be sure that you have the right faith if all you know about it is from what people have told you. If I told you that two billion years ago, there once used to be a tropical paradise exactly where you currently were and that there was some basic life forms that were slowly evolving into complex structures, would you believe me? You would have no proof of what I said; there is no way to know what was going on back then. You can't base your "religion" (since you do believe in something if it is a common religion or something unique to you) on feelings and emotions. If you are right that there is a God, then what if he is completely different then what you think he is? The only "evidence" we have of God is from the Bible. Everyone knows deep down that there must be a God; some people just refuse to believe it. Still, you have to have more knowledge of God to make sure your religion is correct. If I'm right, then there is a heaven and a hell. (I'm not sure if you believe there is; I can't remember if you thought there was or wasn't.) If we have to spend there for eternity, wouldn't you like to be more sure that your religion is correct rather than basing it on what you think or what to think is right? You say that your heart tells you what to believe but how do you know that your heart is right? What exactly do you mean by "faith guides your spirit"?

I don't disagree with your opinion about God is Love but there is so much more. There are so many more issues. We really don't know how much error you can have before you will go to hell. If you believe exactly what the Bible teaches but then you believe in Evolution, will you go to heaven? The Bible clearly states that Evolution didnt' happen and it also says that man brought sin and death into the world; this contradicts the Evolutionists' theory. This is why I dig into the Bible and make sure that I'm right; we really don't know how much error will be allowed before you are damned for eternity. It might be that God allows none. This is why I think you should get your basis of religion from a book that has no error in it and was written by men who were inspired by God (himself).

I hope I didn't sound harsh but I just really care about people and I can't stand the thought of some people not being saved. It really makes me sad. Really, all my arguments are for the benefit of others (in my opinion). I do this not so I can prove that I'm right but so I can help people see their error and maybe be led to the true faith.

There is more to believe about God and religion than just God and love. There is discussion about afterlives, Baptism, the Lord's Supper, Good Works, Grace, Jesus, and many other topics. Many of those topics have tons of subtopics that go along with them. There are so many things you need to know and you can't just take the very basic topic, God and love, and say that is good enough.

Why do you say that the Bible can't be proven to be devoid of errors? Please show me an error in the Bible. Their are many differences between the Bible and the Koran. The Bible was written over a period of around 2000 years and was written by around 50 different people. The Koran was written by Mohammed. That is a huge difference. To have something that doesn't contradict itself with so many different people writing it over such a large period of time is quite a large feat. It is much more possible that God actually inspired the writers of the Bible rather than them making it up. Also, I would think the Bible goes more with your religion rather than the Koran or any other book. I'm not sure if the Koran contradicts itself but I know that it is quite different from the Bible. It is based on Law rather than both Law and Gospel.

I have no doubt that I have the right faith. The Bible is the main source of information we have about God and the true religion. When I die, I know for sure that I will go to heaven. No offense, but can you say the same? If you are basing your religion on what you feel is right, then how can you be sure that it actually is the right faith. The Bible teaches that humans are born with sinful natures; the devil has a hold on us as we enter the world until we are baptized or hear the Word. With our sinful nature, we think in worldly and human ways; different from what God has set up. The Devil really doesn't care if you believe in God; he just wants to make sure that it is not the correct religion. If he can make someone think that they are alright with God and that their future is secure (when it actually isn't), then he has won and has taken another soul for eternity.

God does say that he is a jealous, vengeful God who punishes the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generations but showing love to thousands of generations to those who love him and keep his commandments. There is such a thing as discipline. God loves all people. Discipline is a part of love. God has "laid down the rules" and has shown what is acceptable and not and what the true faith actually is. If you have the right faith, then you will go to heaven and God is more pleased than anything else. If you don't follow, then God would be so sad but his punishment has to be carried out. If I'm taking your religion right, it can be summed up in this example. You have two kids. You love both of them equally and more then anything else in the world. You have to set boundaries for them to insure their safety, health, and to be responsible people when they grow up. One of the kids loves and adores you while the other is always going outside of the boundaries and despises and hates you. Just because you love the kid who hates you, does it mean that he should be rewarded when he is "evil"?

I do have quite a lot of proof of my religion or else I wouldn't be saying all this. If I didn't know that my religion was 100% correct, then I probably wouldn't believe it and definitely wouldn't teach it to anyone else. It is obvious that there must be a God outside of our world and that is where I start my groundwork. I then learn more about him from the Bible and I also learn more about my faith.

Darkhorse:

I will reply to your quote soon. I got something from my dad for a definition of information and he gave me some resources. I started to reply to your quote and I had almost finished it. I had everything but the last paragraph finished and then the power went out. I have been so mad since then that I haven't actually started to reply since then. Just so you do know, I will reply soon.

Ok cool. That sucks about the power outage though :(

when all is done,we will find out who was right and who was wrong, but at that time it wont even matter who was wrong as we all going to be in a great deal of distress. just remember god knows wat is in your heart and there is no fooling him....we should all fear his power is the only way from stoping us from doing wrong things "fear" fear is joy. and who ever doesnt fear is not happy...

thankyou maverick, your clearly smart enough to understand im putting forward. i never set out to prove there to be a soul but we kind of got stuck there. Also Space would be a perfect prison wall. But anyways moving on, i did abit of thinking and would like to hear your thoughts on something.

well i was thinking about what connects everything in the universe....and came up with a number of factors.

1 is Life
1 is Death
1 is Birth

then when i thought about it everything in the universe is connected vis these 3 things.

Life and death create a cycle.

Birth has a number of stages and connects everything else.

Birth has Contractions, fear and finally the push through/release.

Firstly let me just say that look at the Big bang, 1 single thing (Egg) which divided and created life. (sound familiar)

Human iterraction is conprised of Birth stages; for instance talking on the phone. milli seconds before the other person talk there is a feeling of Contraction + fear so close they are basically the same moment, and finally release when the conversation is over.

Think about situations of human iteractions and this analogy of birth and its cycles can be placed into the circumstance.

Okay that is for an individual moment between 2 people. expand this to the whole human race and you will see that we are in a latter stage. There is Fear. Miscarriages/disasters along the way. But most certainly we are close to the release. and that release will have to be a mass decrease in humanity.

I said they we are developing exponitentially (we are, it took 1000's of years to move from sticks to stone and 100's of years to move from carws to space rockets) and most expotientials have a dip/decline. this dip/decline will be the release and eventual start of a new cycle.

Okay anyways, again moving on from my predictions of a crash in the table that is the human race and onto the individual person.

Everything is bound by the cycle of life and death, however if you place within that another cycle......that of birth a persons like looks different, and that the final instant expulsion/birth/whatever you want to call it lines up with one thing and that is Death.

I am a firm believer that there are thingsa that run throught the universe and this universe is build on a few basica rules which hold existance together.

anyways this release, let me carry on. Release, Birth, RE-Birth, the soul. it has many names but in the end call it what you want. a question i have been thinking about it where this soul of release must go and again i have an answer.

now my answer is God or the posibility of a higher race of creatures with superior....well everything. aka a race of God. OR the remains of a race of Gods and a central procsessing unit kind of thing or a Mad insanely large comuter.

okay, reasonings, Firstly the universe has be thought of as horseshoed. Now this is intesting because altho it is horseshoed it isnt a perfect shape the shape it is is hard to describe but as i see it it looks to be like a piece cut out which when joined together would create a circle.

im suggesting that this circle would have a Huge space in the centre which is more than enough space for some higher powers to reside.

Which brings me to Blackholes, Blackholes are basically a hugely dense object which creates gravity and acts like a hoover. Well If this central unit worked like a computer i would consider the blackholes nothing more than virus's or errors in a code which have occured when the coding for the universe was set up.

my next point is that the universe has a shelf life, it isnt ever lasting, it will come to an end and that is only after the null point where everything in the universe is basically frozen as there is no light left.

after this time it si thought that the universe might start to contract.

Which further brings me to the fact that if someone was setting up an experiement where they had to watch over the cases the best place for that person to be would be in the middle surrounded by them.

On this basis i think that the universe was created as a test, a test with a start, a test not ment to last too long before resetting and beginning over in a cycle. Space was a programme created to hold the experiement in so there would be no contamination and no escape. and Death is a method of extracting data and findings in there search for whatever it is God or who ever is searching for.

ya'll niqqas talk too much

This is what my dad has to say about information:

I hope that helps you get a better grasp at what I'm talking about. Now, we can start a discussion.

You argument is invalid because you are assuming that Macro-Evolution actually occurred. If you use those statistics to extrapolate back in time, then the moon would show evidence of a young earth rather than an old earth.

Actually, we have quite a bit of evidence. That is why I said so many different possibilities. The opposite is more the reality since we have no evidence that proves that the earth could have been around for 4.5 billion years.

I read the article (a while back now) and I remember it saying that the sun WAS getting stronger in intensity and brightness but it never said that it was growing larger. What I did find though was a site that said that the sun was getting smaller.

Here are some links to sites that I briefly scanned but basically say the same as me (I think):

The Sun is Shrinking

That Matter of the Shrinking Sun

So it isn't random chance that the chemicals just happen to combine together in the incredibly small probability of life? Even if the chemicals do combine and form something better, it would still be random chance if nothing was there to make it do so or make it "want" to do so.

I never mentioned anything about complexity. If we use your argument, then there would be a large difference of mass and temperature over the years from a microscopic organism to what we see today. I will quote what I said before because I don't think you actually really answered what I was actually saying

That's kind of funny because there are many sites that say the exact opposite.

Finally, I actually got this written. Sorry it took so long.