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Originally Posted by Iain
I like to look at christianity from a psychological and historical perspective. It's fairly interesting how a Jewish sect became so dominant in the Western world. In this sense the presence of christianity in our society should be seen as a complete coincidence: Jesus Christ was a cult leader like many others in his time. He just hit the jackpot. Of course christians will argue it was all part of a pre-destined plan, but like with many 'arguments' in christianity, it's just a weak thesis that can't be proven or disproven, meant to escape the burden of evidence.
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The Jews based their religion on the Bible (at least what was there at that time); the Christians base their religion on the Bible. Before Christ came, the Bible spoke of the Christ who was to come. Jews weren't just jews who believed their religion for no reason and then many happened to be "convinced" by a "cult leader". Jews based their religion from the Bible which talked about the Christ to come. It would be better to say that before Christ came, the Jews had the
true faith and then once Christ came, Christians have the
true faith. So really, the religion didn't change but rather the old religion was fulfilled and the new religion was set in place. Basically, before Christ came, the religion looked
forward to Christ and after Christ came the religion looks
back towards Christ.
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Even with this in mind, it's extraordinary how the church, as a political institution, has managed to be so powerful in the Middle Ages. I am often tempted to think that devout christians (ones who go to church every Sunday and take the words of the church leaders for granted - especially catholics) have no historical awareness, because if you look at the history of the church, you'll encounter so many ridiculous things that you could write a soap opera of it. I'm actually suspecting that the leaders of the catholic church back then knew perfectly well that at least 90% of what they did was nonsense, but just used it to maintain power. I'm not saying that there's no possibility of a god being there, maybe even a christian god, but I know for sure that if he existed, he wouldn't be in any way associated with the church.
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During the Middle Ages, Catholicism was really the only active "christian" church (if you can call it that). The Catholics have so many weird ideas that were made up apart from Scripture. You are right when you say that the leaders knew what they were doing and just did it to stay in power. The services were held in Latin and only the priests knew that language. They kept the "common people" mostly uneducated to make it easier to promote their "nonsense" (ex. purgatory, penance, sacred items, etc.). Around the 1500s, people started actually examining the Bible and looking at what it actually said. That is why you get so many Protestant churches starting from that time. From there, some people saw the truth while others made up new but false religions. The true religion stayed the same but during the Middle Ages, it was almost obsolete.
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Take for example the whole system of 'repent' that titan described. It's a prime example of how the goal of this religion has shifted from making people live their lives responsibly, to a set of neurotic rituals that were obviously made up by man. This is what christianity seems to be about for a large part: neurosis. Christianity, and a lot of religions with it, is a compulsive neurosis disorder that manifests itself in collectives of people. And as one naughty man once put it, christianity is a very interesting case for medical science.
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If you are saying that since all we have to do is "repent" so we can sin all we want, then you are wrong about my belief. The Bible still wants us to live our lives responsibly and ethically and being "good" people to be ro-models for others. Even though you can sin all you want and then repent and God will forgive you, the Bible tells people to refrain from sinning as much as possible. I found some quotes from Romans showing this.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" - Romans 6:1-2
"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offere yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one who you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?" - Romans 6:15-16
Even though Christ has paid for our sins and we can ask for repentance, it does not mean we should continue to sin. The Bible also speaks about unrepentant sinners and how with refusing to turn away from sin, can actually cause spirtitual death and eternal damnation. Therefore, by repenting, we are forgiven but only if we are truly repentant and turn away from those sins.